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Sat 12/30/00 3:23 PM
I just wanted to know if there a way to approach a dancer about the kind
of dancing you're paying for and what she's actually supposed to do? Is
there maybe a way you could get a refund (I don't know)?
Yes, this is a common problem. I don't know what state you are in but in
Los Angeles, most dancers are independent contractors (and not
employees) so the club actually cannot tell a dancer how to dance or
what to do during her dance. In terms of a refund, I've seen many
situations where the customer has refused to pay. Depending on the club,
some will simply throw the customer out of the club, while others will
try to get the money from the customer. If the customer admits that he
owes money to the dancer, some clubs will hold on to your driver's
license while you go get money to pay.
Although I'm not an attorney, I believe that since the dancer is an
independent contractor, if you refuse to pay because you are not
satisfied with her "work", she would have to sue you in small
claims court to get her money from you. The club cannot legally make you
pay. This does not mean that they won't try. They cannot call the police
because as far as I know, it is not a criminal case unless you defraud
her by lying. It would be the same situation if you hire a contractor to
fix your pluming and you don't like the work so you refuse to pay. They
would have to sue you. This is why some dancers ask for their money up
front. Many dancers do not do so because they are hoping that you will
tip extra if they wait to get their money until after the dance.
Personally, it's not worth the trouble to not pay for "bad"
dances. I just pay and move on to another dancer. If I can, I will try
to watch how a dancer laps other customers before trying her out.
However, at some clubs, this is nearly impossible since they are in a
secluded lap area where you cannot see what is going on.
Where's the stage dancing?
Fri 12/29/00 3:05 AM
do all the strippers onstage give laps? Are all the girls that give laps
also strippers? To be more specific, are there girls there that only do
laps but don't strip onstage?
It's possible that some dancers never go on stage for various reasons.
Some feel that it's wasting their time, while others are shy to go on
stage. It's less likely that there are dancers that go on stage that do
not do lap dances unless they are brand new or waitresses trying out
dancing on stage.
What's up with the dress code?
Thu 12/21/00 2:07 PM
You said in your review about Spearmint Rhino,
Downtown that they have a dress code. Why do they have a dress code
if they are in the ghetto?
To keep the gang bangers out. I've noticed that for the most part, they
only enforce the dress code for people who look like gang bangers.
Did you know that guys cannot wear their hats at Hawaii Theatre? Why is
that? I can understand not being allowed to at school or in a classroom,
but a strip club, come on!
Many gang bangers where their "colors" which can cause a gang
"war" inside the club (or outside in the parking lot). It's a
way to try to keep the fighting to a minimum.
Another reason is, vice cops, or even just customers can hide small
cameras in hats. That the same reason why some clubs don't allow pagers
and cell phones.
How do I get some mo' mileage?
Wed 12/13/00 12:16 PM
1. Never been to Hawaii
Theatre, how is the quality of the girls? What is generally
"allowed," and do I have to find the right girl or is there
As of last month, they have opened a VIP room and now the girls have
been told to not give high mileage dances outside the VIP room. The VIP
room requires a 3 song, $120 fee. Generally, the Hawaii girls are high
mileage. As for quality, I consider it mixed and sometimes low. Cambria
works during the day shift (I think) at Hawaii. Don't expect them all to
look like her.
2. Do you typically negotiate with the girls first or do you ask the
other girls at the club who provides the highest mileage. Or should I
just push the limits and see where I get. Interested in your personal
I have used different tactics at different clubs and at different times
with different results. Asking other dancers have worked on a few
occasions but it can backfire. If you find a low mileage girl that's
nice, she might spill the beans and tell you who would be good for you.
However, most of the time, the girl will just tell you that she's the
best, which may or may not be true. If you are looking for a particular
act, you need to talk about it first. If you are looking for specific
contact (e.g. touching ass, tits) you might want to check to see if she
allows it. Otherwise, for general contact, I don't see a need to ask how
long a girl is going to grind me.
On many occasions, I have been told one thing and tried to push the
limits a little with some success. Sometimes, the dancer tells you a
limit but when she realizes how much money you might spend, the limits
are loosened a little. However, I am very careful when I do this to
avoid pissing her off. In one case, the dancer sounded low mileage and
didn't want to be touched in certain areas but it turned out to be one
of the hottest dances I've ever gotten. By favorite kind of reply is,
"I break all the rules." That's the dancer for me.
How much to open a club?
Wed 12/6/00 2:05 AM
[I read your FAQ but] it did not however, give the price to build your
won club from scratch? About how much do you think that will be.
Well, the reason I didn't quote a specific number is because it can vary
so widely depending on how you do it. For example, one owner bought a
restaurant/bar that was in financial trouble for no money down and just
took over the lease. He had his friends and relatives make some
improvements and built a small stage and spent less than $10K. On the
opposite spectrum, the President of Spearmint Rhino has told me that his
last club cost in excess of $1.5M to build. I can easily see the cost
getting up to that point to build a club of that caliber from scratch.
In the past, it usually cost around $150K-$300K if you did a lot of
the work yourself. However, because of the intense competition in LA,
such clubs will probably not survive. You have to include advertising
costs which can run up really fast if you have full sized billboards
(like Rhino) which can cost near $10K per month per billboard. It's also
becoming increasingly difficult to get quality dancers to work at a new
club. Unless you "steal" the best dancers from many clubs, it
is a very difficult situation because customers don't want to come to a
new club with no dancers, and dancers don't want to work at a club with
Anyway, those are some considerations. As I said in my FAQ, I've
watched many people build clubs from scratch and it's not for the casual
Peek a boo
Mon 12/4/00 2:21 PM
Can the dancers SEE YOU THRU THE GLASS at the Venus Faire ????
Yes, but it's dark on the customer's side so it's hard to see.
Some of us believe the glass to be similar to a One-Way mirror, and feel
the girls cannot see what's going on in the room. Others are convinced
they can totally see what's going on. Do you have ANY IDEA of the truth
behind this controversy ?? I tried contacting the club but was
I've asked a couple of girls and they've said "No, we can't see
you" - but this seems like a standard answer so the guys don't feel
If you are talking about the booths that are connected to the large room
with multiple girls, I think they do have a very hard time seeing the
customer. However, in the one-on-one rooms, I know for a fact that the
girl can see you. The light from the dancer's side is bright enough to
illuminate the customer's side. The closer you get to the glass, the
more they can see. If you step back all the way, it's very hard for them
to see but they might still be able to make out what you are doing.
Also - has anyone been busted for "getting comfortable" at
As far as I know, no customer has been busted for getting comfortable.
Sun 11/19/00 4:09 AM
Are clubs allowed to release the schedules of their dancers?
Although it can vary from club to club, in most cases, it's in their
best interest to let you know if a dancer is working so that you will
come to the club. However, they may be reluctant to give out her entire
schedule since many dancers frequently change their schedules.
I called today and they were very hesitant and not very receptive to me
asking. What is the appropriate protocol to figuring out a dancer's
Personally, I ask the dancer directly to tell me her schedule. Since
it's in their interest to have me visit, they normally comply without
hesitation. Some dancers have a voice message number that you can call
which has a recording of their current schedule. Others will ask you for
your number so that they can call you to tell you their schedules. Some
clubs require a dancer to give them her schedule for the coming week.
Other clubs do not have any type of schedule at all.
Do dancers typically work the same nights every week?
Yes, many dancers do work the same nights every week but some do not.
Some dancers work only when they need money or feel up to the task.
Wed 11/1/00 2:32 AM
I am looking for recommendations on clubs to visit. I am married and
will be visited by a woman who is engaged. We both want to take
advantage of this opportunity. I have read your info on hostess/dance
clubs (where you pay to dance) and on the strip clubs. She and I are
very interested in going to the hottest place for couples interested in
getting to as close to a 3sum as possible. What do you suggest?
I have 2 suggestions. If you want to try to pay for a 3-some and not get
any emotional attachments going, go to a nasty lap dance club . Wait to
see if any of the dancers come to ask for lap dances. The ones that do
may know what you are there for. Get a lap dance together with your
friend and see if the dancer is bi-sexual. If things click, ask her if
she would be interested in a 3-some. If she says no, see if she'll do it
for pay. Keep in mind that getting a dancer to do this can be quite
My second suggestion is if you want to try to hook-up with a dancer
without paying. I suggest you go to a topless or bikini club and sit and
talk to a few of the dancers. If one seems friendly and drink with you
two, ask her if she would be interested in hooking-up after work. If you
or your friend are very attractive, the odds are good if you find the
right girl to ask. It doesn't hurt to ask them when they have had a few
drinks to loosen them up a little.
Mon 10/23/00 2:35 PM
I always wear the same outfit. Do you think that customers might think
Im someone else if I changes my outfit?
No. They'll just think that you finally got a new outfit.
Why do they pierce their tits?
Fri 10/20/00 3:07 AM
Why would a dancer pierced her tits?
I think it's the same reason as regular people, including males.
Is it to prevent customers from sucking it?
No, I don't think that's the reason.
It is really not the nipples, but the area area around it. This young
beautiful girl when she started dancing looks like the girl next door.
She will be a year dancing and during that time, she had a tattoo at the
back just above the ass, and recently had her tits pierced. What do you
think is the message?
I don't know if she's consciously sending a message, but
sub-consciously, she might be angry inside or rebelling against
something or somebody. That's just a guess. More likely, it's just cool
with the people she hangs with.
How do I get laid?
Tue 9/26/00 2:42 PM
I have a few questions for you. First, I've known a dancer for a few
years and she's moving to LA in a couple of weeks. I would like to spend
at least one night with her before she leaves since I've been a regular
of hers for a while. What's the best way to approach her and when should
I approach her?
My question to you would be why you waited until she was moving to
decide you wanted to be with her. If the reason was because you felt
that she would refuse or become upset at you, I'd suggest that you don't
ask her. If you've been a regular for a few years and this has never
come up yet, this would indicate that either you've already reached her
comfort limit previously or your own comfort limit. If it was the
former, I'd suggest you don't ask her.
Assuming that you feel that there is a chance that she will accept,
your approach will depend on a few factors. If you are planning on
keeping in touch with her and want to maintain your current status with
her, you may want to broach the subject gingerly. Otherwise, since she
is moving, if you feel that this would be the end of your relationship
anyway, I'd suggest the straight forward approach. Since you've known
her for so long, you probably know if she might be offended or not by
One factor that may be in your favor is that she may need extra money
for moving. This may help influence her to do a private to help with her
If she turns me down, should I suggest a private party, i.e. have her
meet me at a hotel and she does things for me she couldn't do at the
club, like nude dancing, massaging, etc.?
This may be the backwards approach. Personally, I would have asked her
for a "private party" before, hoping that might lead to more.
I've used this approach many times with great success because this
allows the dancer an "out" in case she doesn't want to do
more. If her private party is low mileage, you know that she is doing it
just to keep you happy and it's not going to go anywhere. If she would
have happily agreed to a lot more, she will push the limits to the max
during the party. You can easily see the difference and ask or suggest
things during the party. Most dancers will try to accommodate your needs
to the best of their abilities and personal limits.
So to answer your question, if there is enough time, this would be a
better approach to ask her instead of asking her to sleep with you. If
she agrees, during the private party, you can test her limits.
Also, who would be better for porking outside of the club, a girl who's
in school or a girl who doesn't go to school?
This is kind of out of left field, isn't it? Anyway, it's all about
money. Therefore, the girl who needs the money most is the best
candidate. Going to school usually costs money, however, single moms
need even more. Single moms going to school need the most.
[Who would be better for porking?] A dancer who grabs you below the belt
or a girl that doesn't but knows how to use her pelvis on your member?
The former. The later indicates a personal limit, either set by herself
or her boyfriend which would be problematic for a "private".
[Part 2 of this Q&A session] The main reason I waited before
asking any dancer out is because I have bad luck with women in general.
This statement worries me a little. If you feel this way, you're likely
to be too timid or not confident enough. Confidence is everything when
it comes to women. If you come off like you expect her to say
yes, she is more likely to say yes. If you look like you expect her to
say no, she will say no. I'm not just talking about dancers.
I was afraid that by asking for sex that I would suddenly look like a
sex fiend and I would mess up the good relationship I already have with
What are you there for? To become friends with the dancers? If so, there
are tons of non-dancers that would love to be friends with you as long
as you keep giving them money. You think these dancers are your friends?
Have you ever asked to borrow money from them? See which ones are really
your friends. The plain truth is that you DO want sex from them. What's
wrong with that? You think the dancers don't know you are horny and want
sex? 90% of their customers want sex. The "game" for them is
to try to prolong getting money from you before they turn you down for
sex and you move on to the next dancer.
Besides, if a dancer moves or quits dancing, she can't go around telling
the others about me and I can avoid her if she turns me down. That's my
main reasoning for waiting. If she turns me down, big deal because she's
moving away to the other side of the country and I don't have to deal
with her telling her dancer friends about me and scaring them off.
If that's what you are worried about, don't ask because it only takes
one trip to the dressing room for a big mouth dancer to spread the news.
Personally, I don't think this is bad. Why? Because then if there are
any dancers who are interested in having sex for money, she will come
hunt you down.
Let me just clear some things up for you. If all you want is sex,
it's a LOT cheaper to get an outcall prostitute. This is because that's
what they do for a living. I don't remember what city you are in but in
LA, outcall girls generally charge from $150-$300. The better looking
dancers in LA make $300-$1000 on a short shift without having sex. So to
get a girl that makes that kind of money to have sex with you, is going
to cost a lot of money.
However, I assume that you have your reasons for wanting to have sex
with dancers instead of a outcall girl.
In general, what is the best time to ask a dancer for extras - when you
first meet them, waiting a couple of weeks, months, etc.?
Personally, if I was there to get sex, I wouldn't play games with the
dancers. I would let them know right up front what I want. Most will
have an excuse (I have a boyfriend, I don't know you well enough, etc)
and turn me down. But some will agree right away. This saves time and
money, as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes a dancer that turned down an
offer before will have financial problems and will remember your offer
and come. Of course, when they are financially stressed, that's a good
time to re-negotiate the contract.
Other times, a dancer that you have already been with will tell
another dancer with financial problems to go see you for help. It's like
Basically, you need to decide what you are and what you want. Are you
there to be friends? If so, quit thinking about having sex with them. If
you are there to get sex, quit pretending like you are their friend.
Is there a point in time that if you've waited long enough that you've
probably missed your chance?
Yes. If you ever become their "friend", it's too late. They
don't want to have sex with their friend. Have you ever heard: "But
you're like a brother to me"?
IRS: Will they come after me?
Tue 9/19/00 4:01 AM
Does IRS know about [the strip club and exotic dancing] business, that
it's a cash business, and if they do, are they going to try in the
future to implement some sort of plan to get dancers to fork over some
Funny you should mention it because this is a recent hot topic because
of the IC vs. Employee law suit. They are coming down on 2 different
fronts. As you may already know, anytime ANYBODY (not just dancers)
makes large purchases (e.g. cars, homes) the seller is required to tell
the IRS about this transaction. Also, the bank is required to tell the
IRS when large amounts of money is deposited or withdrawn. You're
probably too young but this was not always the case.
A dancer friend of mine bought a house and was busted by the IRS. If
she had asked me about this, I could have told her how to prevent this
problem. But she never mentioned anything so she lost the house and got
really messed up. It really soured her in many ways.
The other way they are coming down is by coming down on the clubs. As
mentioned on my website, back in 1999, several dancers filed a class
action law suit against practically all the clubs in Los Angeles. This
suit is the Independent Contractor Vs. employee litigation. If the
dancers win, the clubs will be required to pay all the back IRS taxes,
and state taxes for ALL the dancers, for ALL the years they were in
business. Of course, they will not be able to, and will declare
bankruptcy. This has already happened in the bay area in 1998.
The real negative aspect of this for the dancers might be that the
IRS will have all the records that the clubs have obtained and may come
after the dancers for not reporting their income. Please understand that
this the worst case scenario and probably will not happen. But it's
possible. At the minimum, it's likely that the clubs will purposely turn
in the dancers who are suing, to the IRS to get back at them.
The safest way to dance is to have a regular job, and pay your
regular taxes for the job. That way, when you make purchases, it does
not appear strange, as long as you keep it reasonable. The problem comes
up when you declare NO income, and suddenly make large purchases. Be
careful. Unlike the FBI, CIA and INS, the IRS will keep coming after
your money, even after you're dead.
Of course, there is no way that the clubs can give the dancers 1099
forms because they have no way of knowing how much money the girls make.
Yes, that's another dangerous topic. You may know that several years
ago, the IRS changed their practices and forced restaurants to estimate
the tip income of the waitresses. The same could happen in the strip
club industry if they are all forced to make the dancers employees.
Have you ever heard of them cracking the whip?
I've heard of it, here and there, mostly only when dancers are making a
LOT of money. Specifically, I know that several feature dancers have
been busted. But they make a lot more money. Generally, the IRS has to
weigh the amount it will cost to collect, versus the actual amount they
will get from you. It's not worth their time and effort to get a few
dollars. However, a few dollars over many years can add up to a lot of
money. Also, be VERY careful about who you tell how much money you make.
In my FAQ for dancers, I remind them not to talk about money to anyone.
This is because the IRS will pay snitches a percentage of the money they
get from you. I leaned this from an ex-IRS agent who is now an attorney.
Therefore, ANYBODY could be a snitch for the IRS; customers, dancers,
and club employees. Also, I know a lot of dancers that keep detailed
records of their income. That's also a good way to get busted.
Cover for you, cover for me
Tue 9/19/00 3:40 AM
[I was at a club doing laps and] the bouncer checked on us several
times, but all she said to me was that if I covered for her, she would
cover for me. My question is, is this legal? And if we were caught what
would the circumstances be?
Since she was the one doing the "nasty", the bouncer may tell
her to stop but nothing would happen to you. However, you may have to
pay for the dance that was stopped in the middle. As long as the dancer
is doing the work, you won't get in trouble. If they make a stink about
it, just play dumb and say that since the dancer was doing it, you
thought it was okay.
The only thing that you should be worried about is if somehow an
undercover vice cop can see clearly what you are doing. I assume that
since the bouncer could not see, nobody else could see either. In this
case, you are safe. If you get busted by vice, there is no "I
didn't know" excuse. It doesn't matter if you know the law or not.
It's only lewd conduct, which is a misdemeanor. You just have to post
bail and appear in court. If it's your first offense, they will fine you
and perhaps a short probationary period. If it's NOT your first offense,
then you'd better get a good lawyer.
Hey! Leave us clubs alone!
Mon 9/18/00 5:11 PM
If cities, or the State, or, let's take it further, the Country, for
that matter, is going to grant permits for these clubs, allow them to
exist in full public view in certain areas of the city and call them
"legal," how can they justify going inside them and looking
for the smallest thing to bust the girls or the owners on?
The answer to your question is that the legal parameters change
depending on the current political climate. For example, San Francisco's
current Mayor used to be an attorney who specialized in defending
prostitutes and drug dealers. Of course, he is not quick to clean up the
city of prostitutes or strip clubs, for that matter.
Also, keep in mind that the permits were not easily gotten. About 15
years ago, it was almost impossible for a new club to open in Los
Angeles. The club owners sued the city and won a great deal of money
from them (millions). When the city lost this law suit, they were FORCED
to have to give out permits for clubs. This did not mean that they are
happily and gladly giving out permits. At first, they were just very
slow about it (like 18-24 months of waiting). The clubs again sued the
city and won. Now, they have to give out the permits in 30 days or so.
Once again, the city is not happy about this situation. As you can
imagine, there are a lot of people working in the city that have strong
hatred toward the strip clubs and it's owners. They will do anything and
everything they can to make life miserable for the strip clubs,
Sometimes, (especially during election years) politicians will get
the bright idea that busting some clubs will get them votes and tell the
police chiefs to have some very public busts at strip clubs. That always
makes the news. You notice that male strip clubs (where they do REALLY
illegal things) are NEVER busted. Why? Because it doesn't look good on
TV when you bust a club where women are trying to have fun, just like
the men. It's bad publicity for the politicians.
Like I said, if government is going to license these establishments,
then license them and get off our backs. Leave us alone and cops, get
out there and look for real crime.
Of course, I agree with you but unfortunately, as long there are
politicians that want to be re-elected, there will always be busts. As
you may have heard, for the first time in many years, the US Supreme
Court has recently ruled that nude dancing is no longer protected by the
1st amendment. This ruling was caused because the US Supreme Court is
currently very closely divided (5 to 4) on many issues (including
The next president will be nominating at least 1, and possibly 3 new
US Supreme Court justices which will change the split to either 4 to 5
or 6 to 3. Since the court has ruled that nude dancing is no longer
protected, many states will slowly enact new state laws that will either
outlaw nude dancing or have a lot of restrictions on it.
Of course, the strip club owners will not just close their doors and
die, and there will definitely be a fight. In the middle of the fight
will be many dancers who will get busted for simply being topless or
Do I love her?
Mon 9/18/00 4:26 AM
Last night, when I was saying goodbye to my favorite dancer, she said,
"I love you". What's with that? She didn't say it with deep
feeling, but she didn't say it like a joke, either. Obviously, I said,
"I love you too" and walked away. Is this rare?
I wouldn't say "rare" but it's not unheard of either. My
question for you would be, why is this important to you? In the unlikely
event that she is really in love with you, your reaction should be that
it's strange and she is probably not normal. Why? Because she doesn't
know you outside the club. Other than being flattered, you should ignore
it. Always remember that the strip club is a place of business where you
can be entertained by beautiful women. Don't get confused.
More importantly, if I say it to her first next time, I feel like it
might freak her out.
Unless you are in love with her, don't lie and say that you are. If you
are indeed in love with her, you might want to look into yourself and
examine if this is an appropriate feeling to have. I don't know what the
exact circumstances are between the two of you so I can't judge the
situation like you can for yourself.
When I go to see her, do you think it's a good idea to say to the
manager, "She's my favorite, and I think she's really hot, and I
come to see her all the time", etc. If "yes", who should
I ask for, and what should I say?
Managers get this sort of thing all the time so unless you know the
manager personally, I don't think it would make that much difference.
However, they do have a website. I assume that they keep count of how
many emails each dancers gets. But I don't know how much that would
actually help her. Since all the dancers are paid the same amount, there
really is no "promotion" that she can get from being
considered "popular" by management. The bottom line is always
money and if she does a lot of lap dances, they will like her.
Showgirls 'R' Us?
Thu 9/14/00 2:54 AM
What is a club in L.A. that comes close to Cabaret Royale in Dallas?
In other words, what club in the area is more like a showgirl club
rather than a strip club? I am looking for a classy joint along the
lines of Cabaret Royale- does such a thing exist in L.A.?
Sorry, but there are no clubs left in LA that is like what you are
looking for. The last one was The Body Shop before
they turned it into a nude club. That club used to have comedians and
magicians between dance numbers. No such clubs exist today. It's all
about lap dances. In fact, it's getting to a point where it's hard to
even find a good dancer that can actually "dance" on stage.
They just walk around.
I think you're going to have to go to Las Vegas to find what you are
Should I get nude laps?
Thu 9/7/00 3:27 AM
I always figured in general, nude dances you actually got less for your
money. Is this true to any extent ? I have had very few because the cost
can be so high. ( I know at Tropical Lei, a
dancer recommended a topless dance because she would be able to 'get to
know me' better).
Yes, often you will get less when you do a nude lap. Also, in a lot of
clubs, they are not allowed to grind on the customer during a nude lap
but they can for a topless one.
You will notice that I recommend you get a topless dance, and not
nude in my reviews. I'd rather pay for a topless dance (for less $) and
tip extra to have the dancer cheat and flash me the goods. Why? Because
the club takes a percentage of the dancer's lap money. If I get a
cheaper dance (e.g. topless), the amount that she has to give the club
is less than for the nude. I'd rather give her the difference than to
give that money to the club. It's like cutting out the middle man, a
Mon 9/4/00 2:10 AM
I was also wondering that if I had my face changed could I go back and
try to work in a club that I was fired from if I pretended to be someone
else? Do you think it would work?
It would depend greatly on the club. At clubs where they pay you, they
check your social security number and unless you are going to commit
fraud and use a fake ID and fake social security number, it would match
with the old one and they would know it was you. If it's a club that
does not pay you and only has your ID, then if you use a fake ID with a
different name, it may work. However, if somebody there recognizes you
(like another dancer), they may snitch you out and you would be fired.
Also depending on how or why you got fired, they may re-hire you and
ignore the fact that you got fired before. I even know of a dancer who
sued the Deja Vu chain and got fired, then later returned and they
re-hired her. I don't know if it's because they didn't realize it was
the same girl or because they decided not to cause any more problems
which may cause her to sue again.
The real question is, why do you want to return to a club that you
were fired from when there are 97 clubs in the city? Just go to another
Can she get pregnant?
Sun 8/6/00 2:55 PM
I recently visited a club and had a bed dance. It was a new, enjoyable,
and interesting experience, and before I went, I read a few things on
Zbone's site. Namely, I wore two pairs of underwear so that I wouldn't
make a mess, and to be courteous to the dancer.
Anyhow, unfortunately I let go during the bed dance. It wasn't a
really bad mess, but the outside of my pants got slightly damp. The two
My quesiton is as follows:
Is it possible for a dancer to get pregnant that way?
Yes. Many dancers get pregnant this way. Not.
Thu 7/27/00 4:28 AM
I was also wondering if you had a link to a site that describes what, if
any, kind of contact is legal between dancer and customer in various
parts of southern california. Thanks.
It depends on who you ask but by California state law, any touching can
be considered illegal. For example, a friend of mine was arrested when a
dancer put her tits on his face. However, what you really want to know
is how that law is enforced (or NOT enforced). In the Los Angeles area,
the City of Industry is the least enforced area. It's basically a free
for all in San Francisco (with sexual intercourse available in several
clubs). In San Diego, there is no such thing as a contact lap dance.
They will stand about 6 inches away from you.
Any good movies depicting strippers?
Mon 7/10/00 2:06 PM
There have been many movies that have depicted prostitutes--sometimes in
an accurate manner. Are there any movies that have depicted strippers
and the strip-club scene in an accurate manner? "Striptease" with Demi
Moore definitely does not count.
I recently saw for the umpteenth time the movie, "Breakfast at Tiffany's". It is amazing how many
strippers are similar to the Holly Golightly of the movie. Strippers
with their ditzyness, eccentricness, and sadness combined with their
extreme practicality of using their womanly charms to extract money from
men are very similar to Holly Golightly. In the movie Holly Golightly
(Audrey Hepburn) plays a prostitute, but today she could probably be
played more convincingly as a stripper. The book by Truman Copote upon
which the movie is based is better.
I don't know of any definitive strip club or dancer movie. There are
movies that have tried to depict the scene (e.g. Player's Club) or movies that contained important
stripper characters (e.g. People vs. Larry Flint, Blaze) but none that captures the scene to my
satisfaction. There is a movie called "Exotica" that is a strange and almost
surrealistic look at one strip club and it's characters but I did not
find the movie satisfying. You may want to see it if you are doing
research on this topic.
Your comments about Breakfast is very interesting. I don't
think I've seen the movie for many years but I think I'll rent it again
and watch it.
HEY I BEEN GOIN TO ALOT OF STRP CLUBS AND A GIRL ALWAYZ SIT BY ME TO
TALK TO ME BUT DONT KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO THEM. THE ONLY THING I THINK OF
IS LIKE WHATS YOUR NAME,WHERE YOU FROM,THE AGE STUFF LIKE THAT SO AFTER
I GET MY DANCE FROM HER WE SIT BACK DOWN AND I DONT WHAT TO SAY TO HERE
SO SHE GETS UP AND SAY ILL BE BACK AND SHE NEVER COME BACK. AND THIS
HAPPEN TO ME ALOT CAUSE I RUN OUT OF THINGS TO SAY TO THEM. AND I SEE
OTHER GUYS TALKING TO THE GIRLS FOR HOURS . CAN YOU HELP ME OUT LIKE
WHATS THE BEST THING TO SAY TO A STRIPPER SO WHEN I GO BACK ILL KNOW
WHAT TO SAY. THANKSSSS
It's kind of hard to answer your question because it would depend on the
dancer. First off, some dancers won't sit there and talk to you no
matter what you talk about. They are just interested in getting more lap
dances for money. You have to remember that the dancers are working.
They are there to make money. Of course, some dancers will talk to you
thinking that if they do, you will eventually give them more money. If
not on that trip, maybe on your next trip.
My suggestion to you would be to go to a topless or bikini club with
a friend or friends and sit at a booth. It's a lot easier at a topless
club to have a dancer come over and sit with you than at nude clubs.
Once there, if you are with your friends, it's easier to carry on a
conversation because you don't have to try to do it by yourself.
As for other guys that seem to talk to the girls for hours, you do
not know what their situation is. Perhaps they are paying the dancer to
sit with them. Perhaps they have known the dancer for many years. In any
case, don't compare yourself to the other customers. You are you and you
have to work with that.
French kissing while lapping
Thu 6/22/00 4:16 AM
Is it okay with the manager if caught french kissing a girl while
getting a lap?
Well, it would depend on the club, manager and dancer. If the dancer
happens to be the manager's wife, it's probably not going to go over too
Sun 6/4/00 9:23 PM
I am a dancer and have entered a few amatuer competitions and noticed
certain girls always winning. when i won first place a custimer asked if
i was a professional amatuer. What is that and how do I become one?
A professional amatuer is a dancer that enters contests. They are called
that because they become so good at winning contests that they can go
from club to club, just making money that way.
Mon 5/29/00 10:09 PM
I wanted to know I read a lot of your reader reviews, and some people
comment on dancers looks such as 10s 8s, etc. I just wanted to know do
you know anything about craniofacial surgery? Can a plastic surgeon make
a 7 into a 10? Im not talking about boob jobs or liposuction, Im just
talking about facial structure. In other words, can a plastic surgeon
make any dancer a looker?
I am not a plastic surgeon so I don't know the answer to your question.
Moreover, rating people by numbers is very subjective. Your 10 might be
my 6 or vice versa. But one thing is clear. Plastic surgeons make a lot
of money making women look better so whether it works or not, the women
must think it works.
Drinks and tipping
Sun 5/21/00 9:04 PM
If you buy a dancer a drink, do you make the drink part of the dancer's
No. The drink money goes to the club. At most clubs, the dancers are
required to sell a minimum number of drinks to customers. If they don't
sell the minimum number of drinks, they have to pay for the drinks out
of their own pockets. At some clubs, they get a kick back from the
What do the dancers get if you do buy a drink for her?
They get to keep their job.
More dancer shit
Sun 5/21/00 7:55 PM
I recently got a call from my dancer telling me that she will be working
at this club that isn`t very busy and has only worked there once that I
know of. When I got there I asked her why she was dancing here. There
was two customers and 8 to 10 dancers. She said "Well the D J
/Manager is a real good friend of mind and he called and asked me to
come by and work / hang out with him" I told her who gives a fuck
if your not going to make any money why are you wasting your time. She
tells me "I have known this guy for 5 years and he has been a very
good friend" Is she fucking this guy (that looks like a Nazi) and
what is a really good friend mean?
I know what the answer is but maybe you could shine alittle light on
this dancers fucking the bouncers bullshit and why do all the bouncers
look like the K K K or Nazi. What is with the skin head look?
Only she and the DJ know if they are fucking. Why don't you ask her. A
"really good friend" is a friend that is better than a regular
"good friend". This will vary from person to person.
Dancers like to have sex. They normally don't like to have sex with
customers. Unless they have a "life" outside the strip club
(many don't), that leaves the male employees at the strip club. Most
bouncers and security are in better shape than the managers and DJs.
As far as the skin-head look, it makes them look tougher and scarier.
Better for the job.
Fives vs. singles
Tue 5/9/00 1:08 PM
I have been going to 4 Play
on Friday nights lately because my favorite dancer is only there on
Fridays and Saturdays for right now. I hate how crowded it is, and there
is much less attention from the dancer on stage than during the week.
Sometimes I put up a five and they don't even notice it. What do you
think about the idea of putting 3-5 singles on the rail, which are
obviously more visible, than one five?
I think that's a good trick. 5 singles always looks more impressive.
My favorite's birthday is next month, and the last dance I had with her,
I asked what perfume she used. She told me it was called
"Angel", and she went on and on about how much she liked it,
it was the only one she's worn for four years, etc. I want to get her
that for her birthday. What do you think about that? Before you reply, I
know that there is no future for us outside the club. I think it will
make her happy. Also, do you think other customers will get her perfume
(or anything) for her birthday?
Nothing wrong with giving gifts to dancers as long as you don't expect
anything in return. In terms of other customers giving her gifts, it
depends on how many regulars she has. Some dancers have a lot of
regulars and CDs and perfume are common gift items for dancers.
Finally, she said that she used to come in whenever she wanted, but now
there's a new manager who won't let her, only when she's scheduled. But
I heard some dancers are never scheduled, and come in whenever they
want. Do you know anything about that?
I do know that the old manager moved to Savannah. Managers and owners
always have favorites that do not have to follow the rules. Some clubs
pay only some of their dancers while others do not get paid. Other clubs
allow special privileges to some dancers, like not paying tipout or
coming in without a schedule. I don't know anything specific about your
Tipping is optional but...
Wed 5/3/00 3:04 PM
I didn't know that if you really liked [the dancer], you tipped extra. I
should have realized this, but my co-workers never tipped, so I thought
the price of the dance was it. I feel bad now. I met a lot of nice girls
who I would have gladly tipped extra. Is it normal to tip the dancers,
or is it normal to tip if you really enjoyed the dance? It's funny, but
I never got a dirty look or bad service when I didn't tip. I guess it
was because I was spending regular money.
Tipping is by definition, optional. You do not have to tip extra above
the lap dance price. People do this to encourage better service. This is
no different from tipping the hostess to get a better seat in Vegas.
Sometimes tipping extra does not equate to better service. It depends on
the dancer. Read my FAQ on tipping.
Can I get busted?
Tue 5/2/00 4:24 PM
I read the article on your
site where four customers were busted on misdimeanor prostitution
charges at Tropical
Lei. I'm a little concerned, b/c I go to Ecstasy (Santa Ana) quite
frequently and receive some pretty high mileage bed dances. Do I have to
be concerned about these and tame them down? Do you know for what
actions exactly these customers at TL were busted for?
First of all, there is a big difference between TL and Ecstasy in that
at TL, the dances are out in the open where cops can easily video tape
the customers. It's not possible for a cop to witness your dances at
Ecstasy because you are in your own cubical. However, the dancers can be
busted (and have) by cops posing as customers. However, keep in mind
that you can be busted for simply having a dancer put her tits on your
face on stage. My friend was busted that way. So be careful anytime you
are out in the open.
What's bad about being a regular?
Sun 4/30/00 9:15 PM
I am a "regular" customer at Fantasy Island
because I only live three miles away. There is a dancer that I really
like to hang out whenever I'm there. Can you elaborate on what is the
'bad thing' about it. I think the 'good thing' about it is dropping
instant money on her lap.
There are different levels of "bad". "Dancer
politics" or DP (see glossary)
can come into play when you are considered a "regular". This
is extra headaches and problems that you don't need. That is bad.
Also, all smart dancers know that once you have sex with a
"regular", they will stop tipping. That can be bad depending
on what you are looking for at the club.
"Regulars" often become like "brothers" to the
dancers. "Oh, that's just [insert your name here]. He's
harmless." As you well know, or should, you don't want to be any
girl's "friend" if you want to get in her pants. Again, this
could be bad depending on what you want.
Overall, if you just want to be "friends" with some dancers
and hang out at a club, there is very little that's "bad"
about being a "regular". Otherwise, watch out.
Pole lessons anyone?
Thu 4/27/00 4:10 AM
Where in the world do the dancers practice all of the pole work for
That's a good question. I have seen dancers practice after work. Also,
at clubs where there are extra stages that are not open when it is slow,
they will practice in there (e.g. Star Strip Too, Mr. J's). Frankly, pole
work is the hardest part of dancing as a stripper. One of my sponsors
sells a video which shows how to do pole work. I will be reviewing it
for my website very soon.
Do you feel bad?
Sun 4/23/00 12:03 AM
I am E-mailing you because I wanted to know your take on this TL bust.
In the article it directly
quotes your terms such as "mileage." Do you feel a bit
responsible? I am not saying you should, I am just curious to know.
I have it from an inside source that they used both zbone.com and TUSCL
to help them with their bust. It does not say that in the article but
that is from an inside police source. I check my bulletin board
regularly and don't remember the 2 dancers names being mentioned and my
website shows other clubs as being higher mileage than TL. But I'm sure
that general quotes about TL being high mileage was used for the bust.
As for feeling responsible, yes, I do to a certain extent. I don't
feel directly responsible and if my website did not exist, I think the
bust would have gone down anyway. However, it did contribute to the
Unfortunately, this is not the first time this has happened. There
are a lot of things that have happened that I do not make public. I have
had several encounters with owners, managers and others who have asked
me to remove some information, or the entire review of their club from
my website because of just what happened again this time with TL. I have
even been threatened in person. The only difference is this bust was
more publicized than the others.
I have to walk a thin line between providing a service to the public
and with hurting dancers and clubs. It has been very difficult over the
last 5 years with very little appreciation back from the public.
So does this mean on our reviews of the clubs should we keep info to a
That's been the policy since the start of the website and will continue
to be the policy. It is clear in my rules for the bulletin board as well
as the other services that I provide.
Does she really like me?
Wed 4/12/00 1:22 PM
The first time I went [to the club], which was also my first visit to a
nude club, a dancer named [redacted] crawled over to me and put her
mouth on my ear (and I only had two dollars in front of me). Since then,
I've come to realize how rare that is (on stage). I've had dances with
her on four visits, and hers are always much better than anyone else's.
She really grinds against me, she moves her bottoms, she touches my
crotch, and one time she put my hands on her breasts for a second. Do
you think she likes me? Not like she want to go home with me, but a
Yes, she probably likes you a bit. At the least, she's not repulsed by
you. But don't be fooled into thinking she wants anything from you
I asked her if she wanted to sit on one of the couches and talk for a
little bit. She said she "didn't want them to see her not
working". I didn't believe it, and I thought it was very cold. Do
you think she really didn't want to talk to me, or she didn't want to
waste time she could be making money?
I think she didn't want to talk to you. If she wanted to talk to you, or
she thought she would make big money off you, she would have talked to
you. That's how they are told by the club to make money.
I usually do 4-6 dances and tip $10, except for my regulars, who get
$20, so they'll be happy to see me. Is this too much?
I don't think it's too much. However, because the mileage at [that club]
is low, I suspect most customers are not happy with the dances and do
not tip extra. That's probably why some dancers are surprised. I realize
you're not made of money but tipping a little extra never hurts. Most
likely, the dancer will remember you that way and will be a little extra
nice the next time.
The last visit I had a dance with a girl who put her chest and shoulders
right on my mouth. What would happen if I licked her? Would she get mad?
Would I get in trouble?
That depends on the dancer. Some do it expecting to get licked. Some
would become upset. At [that club], it's more likely that she was not
expecting a lick. However, you could broach the subject very gingerly
with her next time, or lick her just a tiny bit and watch closely for
her reaction. Alternatively, just kiss her first to see her reaction. If
you get a negative reaction, obviously don't lick. It's hard to tell
sometimes. I had one dancer (at another club) that asked me after the
dances why I didn't lick her. I didn't realize she wanted me to.
Why are the men so #$*& cheap? The biggest tip I ever saw on the
rail was $10, put there by ME (and I deliver pizzas).
Yes, cheap. I think you understand the value of tips a lot better than a
doctor or lawyer. I've often heard from waitresses that tell me doctors
are cheap tippers. People who work for tips know what it means to tip.
They are the best tippers. I often notice dancers tip very well at
Can I be cheap?
Fri 4/7/00 3:32 AM
WHICH CLUBS HAVE NO COVER?
Wild Goose, Sam's Hof Brau and a few
other bikini and topless clubs.
ARE THERE ANY CLUBS THAT DON'T REQUIRE TIPPING?
Tipping is optional by definition. However, it is appreciated by the
Supreme Court ruling us?
Thu 3/30/00 3:30 PM
What exactly does this [Supreme Court] ruling mean for nude
clubs. Does it also affect topless clubs. How about bikini?
First of all, as you know, I'm not an attorney. Having said that, the
ruling means that some (or many) cities or even states may decide to go
ahead with anti-nude ordinances that they were previously afraid would
be struck down by the higher courts. California is already pretty close
to passing a new law that would require nude dancers to be 6 feet away,
along with other rules. This high court ruling just makes them bolder.
It may have a mild effect on topless clubs in that they may require
pasties but no effect on bikini clubs.
Channel 9 had Roger Diamond
on and he claimed that local citites must proceed carefully if they
intend on taking action against existing clubs. What does he mean by
He probably intends on suing cities that try to close down existing
clubs. That has worked in the past and lawyers such as John Weston has
collected millions from the cities for their clients.
Attention clubs! We are closing you down!
Sun 3/12/00 1:23 AM
I'm getting the impression that the city of LA not only wants to
restrict, but close down, the strip clubs. I'd always thought it was a
matter of grudging tolerance: we don't particularly like what you do,
but as long as you keep it on the other side of the tracks and don't do
anything funny, we'll let you alone. It now appears that the cities are
enacting ordinances so restrictive that the clubs will no longer find it
profitable to operate, no matter where they are located.
It's not like I'll be devastated if the city does close the clubs, as
I go to them only once in a blue moon; it's more of a widespread
backlash against personal freedom in general that I'm worried about.
What do you feel will be the future of LA strip clubs? Will they
gradually fade into oblivion, or will they manage to win some protection
from the courts and remain open and enjoyable?
If the city is able to do everything that they want to, eventually, all
(or most) of the clubs will close down because they will not be able to
make money. But it's not just the city that's doing it. Dancers are
suing all the clubs in a class action law suit and if they win, many of
the clubs will close. What will happen is more underground, private, and
secret clubs will open to replace the legit ones, and there will be NO
regulations and more potential problems for dancers and customers. Will
it get to that? I don't know. It might.
Dancers! Invest your money
Sun 2/27/00 11:20 PM
I'm a female investment consultant and would like to target the dancer
and escort market for retirement planning. They tend to have a lot of
cash on hand and due to the nature of their profession, retirement
sometimes comes sooner. Do you have any suggestions as to the best way
to contact them?
You might have better luck with escorts because the majority of dancers
do not save their money and can barely make ends meet, let alone invest
in their future. However, the cream of the crop of dancers do make a lot
of money ($500-$1300/night) and that would be your target. There is no
mailing list of money making dancers, and if there was, the IRS would be
the first ones to get their hands on it. I suggest you contact feature dancers
and adult video actresses with websites. You can contact them via their
Are dancers crazy or just good in bed?
Tue 2/22/00 4:17 AM
My conclusion from experiences with [dancers] is [that] they're crazy.
Perhaps, the answer is that all women are crazy.
So dating them is pretty much out, what about sex?
Don't get me wrong. I've dated many dancers and my current GF used to be
a dancer. I'm from the school of "do as I say, not as I do". As for
sex, my motto: Just do it.
You mentioned [previously] to just come right out and ask 'em. Do I show
up towards closing, or does it matter? Advice please?
What I mean is, when you are talking to the dancer, don't pretend like
you want to "date" or "be friends" or "go
out". I make it crystal clear from the start that I am interested
in having sex, not a relationship. That way, if they are OK with that, I
don't have to play any games, I just go over to their place and have
fun. I've been with dancers (read: had sex) who I never went out with
even once. They just wanted to have sex.
Advice 1: A lot of dancers are used to teasing guys. They like the
thrill of it so they will let you do a lot of things (especially in
public) but they really don't want to do anything more than just tease.
Weed these girls out quickly, so you don't waste any time. Try to get
sex right away. Some will look at you like you are the biggest jerk,
some will just say no thanks, but some will go for it. The hardest part
is "reading" the girl to see which ones are which. It takes a
lot of practice. I've made plenty of mistakes and had some problems and
I'm always learning new tricks. I'm not just talking about dancers,
Advise 2: Just because a girl doesn't go for it the first time, don't
write her off completely if she seems interested. Maybe the timing was
bad and she's waiting for her boyfriend to go out of town, or you can
catch her on the right night and get lucky. Just keep your eyes open for
the right signs.
Last one: Don't use these techniques at your work or you will get
If the sex is really good with dancers, why not go for it?!
That's what I say.
How to pickup dancers?
Thu 2/17/00 3:20 AM
I have recently become interested in dating a stripper.
My first reaction is, why? Depending the answer to this question, my
answer for you will differ. By "dating", do you mean just
going out to dinner or the movies or you mean "porking"?
If you just want to have sex with them, I'd highly recommend dancers.
If you want to have a real relationship with them, I would recommend
against it because most dancers are screwed up, in a lot of ways.
However, email me your reasons and I will try to tailor my answer
I've asked friends who've dated them, and their responses have ranged
from talking to them without getting a lap dance, to talking to them and
Do not spend ANY money. That would be my advise. Once they see you as a
"customer", your chances diminish. I don't care if you are
Brad Pitt (well, OK, if you're Brad Pitt, that's different), once they
tag you as a customer, forget it.
I imagine these girls must get asked out dozen's of times at work.
Perhaps you can offer some advice on how I might go about it?
Try dozens of times per hour. They are SICK of it. Tired of it. That's
why it's not a good idea to try it at the club.
Method 1: When I used to date (read: pork) a lot of different
dancers, what worked best for me was having a roommate that was a
dancer. Her dancer friends would come over and I would "date"
them, sometimes without ever going out even once. Many dancers are not
used to going out. They've never gone out, the way normal people do. As
another way to do the same thing, just have a friend who is a dancer and
you can visit her often and hang out at her place. Then when her friends
come over, you can hook up with them.
Method 2: Another sure fire way is to work at a strip club. This will
work even if you are retarded and look like a geek! I guarantee this
method works like a charm.
Method 3: Own a strip club. No explanations needed.
Method 4: Be famous. You don't have to be rich. Just famous. But if
you were famous, you'd be going after super models and actresses and not
be wasting your time on lowly dancers.
Method 5: Create a website about strip clubs and exotic dancers.
Do girls get better mileage?
Wed 2/16/00 3:48 PM
The thing [my boyfriend] has asked me is why no men are allowed in LA
shows for women/ladies only. He has asked several times what is really
going on in there. I have told him that men strippers flash, allow
groping and rubbing...etc. So, my question is: Considering all of the
laws prohibiting full female stripper nudity and client-stripper
contact, who is getting more bang for the buck you guys or us girls? I
think it's silly to be honest because we don't even tip the guys
sometimes. Are women better business people when it comes to stripping?
The bottom line is male exotic dance clubs rarely (if ever) get busted.
Why? Because it doesn't make good headlines, and that's what it's all
about. Busting regular strip clubs gets people re-elected and promoted.
Busting male clubs makes them looks like they are picking on women who
just want to be equal to the men.
VIP room worth it?
Tue 2/15/00 4:35 PM
I was wondering if you can tell me what is the different between a VIP
room and just the regular entrance? How much does it cost? Do you get
special rates for lap dances, more mileage?? How does it work and what
are the best clubs for VIP?
This depends on the particular club. For example, at the Spearmint Rhino in
the City of Industry, their VIP room costs extra to the house to enter
with the dancer. Whereas at the Spearmint Rhino in
Rialto, there is no additional cost other than the dances themselves. As
for mileage, it always depends on the particular dancer but generally
speaking, if it's more private, you will get higher mileage.
Also, some clubs (4 Play,
Bare, Jet , etc) have VIP
nights where they charge extra at the door ($25 at Jet) but on these
nights, lap dances are cheaper than the normal rates ($15 at Jet). The
one at 4Play is by invitation only and they serve free alcohol. As for
mileage, since the dancer makes the same $ or less, there is no real
incentive for her to give you more mileage, unless you tip extra to
compensate for the cheaper rates.
Bad Z Bone, Bad!
Sat 1/29/00 9:51 AM
as a kid did you ever get spanked[?]
Ahmmm, no... but I did get weekly enemas. Does that qualify?
Where do dancers get wet on stage?
Tue 1/25/00 12:05 AM
I am going to be in LA tomorrow night. Do you know of any clubs where
the girls get wet on stage while still wearing their high heels? I have
heard there are clubs like this in LA but I have not been able to find
There used to be several shower dances (Deja Vu, Bob's, Gentlemen's Club
, etc) but they all stopped doing it. Valley Ball still has
their shower booth but I've never seen it being used anymore. Captain Cream has a
shower on their main stage also but I never see them using that either.
The best I could do for you is when I went to Venus Faire a while
ago (peep show booths), they did have a shower there and I did get a
girl to go into it.
Maybe you've got something there for prospective new club owners.
Is it okay for me to wear no panties?
Wed 1/19/00 11:35 AM
I'm a 26 year-old bi female in So Cal. Last night I had my first strip
club experience. A good friend and occassional lover of mine (male) had
gone to Tropical Lei
several months ago and told me about it. He'd never gone to a strip club
before, but said he had a good time. For his birthday gift, I suggested
going together and buying each other dances. We both enjoy girlwatching,
and he loves the idea of me and another woman. I figured it would be fun
for both of us. It was! My few complaints are these: Tropical Lei's
parking lot is too small!
I agree with you 100%. Don't park in the restaurant parking either. They
tow also. Basically, all the businesses around there are ready to get
rid of your car. Only park in the small lot or legally on the street.
Dances are too short!
Yes, this is a problem at most of the "lap factories". And
yes, you are right that it's because that's how they think they will
make more money. Personally, I think it's short sighted. The customers
are not stupid. They know the songs are cut short. In the long run, if
another club was to advertise that they play the entire song (and
perhaps charge a little bit more), customers would rather go there.
I was disappointed to find so many fake tits.
I've noticed this trend more and more over the years. It used to be that
in nude clubs, the dancers didn't get fake boobs, and it was more for
topless clubs. Not any more. I again agree with you here.
I don't know if it was because it was a Tuesday night or what, but the
stage was conspicuously empty for a large portion of the evening.
Nope, not because of the night. At TL, they do this all the time. Again,
you are right about your guess. It's to try to get people who are just
watching the stage to either leave or get lap dances. Personally, I like
to see a dancer on stage before I get laps from her but at TL, sometimes
dancers never go on stage.
Now for a question. How legal/proper/dancer-friendly would it be for a
woman to wear a skirt and no panties while getting a lapdance? Would
this be considered gross and too assuming? A health issue? I don't want
to do anything inappropriate, but it is an interesting prospect.
At high mileage (i.e. nasty factor high) lap clubs like TL, I don't
think it would be a problem at all. However, in terms of legalities, if
you want to be super safe, wear panties and move it to the side so that
the dancer knows you are OK with her getting under it. This way, you get
what you want and if there are any problems with police at the club or
outside the club, you can show that you are indeed wearing your panties.
However, I doubt that you would get in trouble unless you were flashing
yourself outside the club.
Can minors dance?
Wed 1/12/00 2:28 PM
I know in Pennsylvania the legal age to be an exotic dancer is 18 years,
but what about emancipated minors? Are they legally allowed to dance?
Please remember that I'm not an attorney and I certainly don't know the
laws in Pennsylvania, but I would imagine that you'd have to be 18 years
old even if you are a emancipated minor. I know that they make
exceptions for driving and working but I don't think you can drink, so
I'd have to guess that you would not be able to work at a strip club. If
that was not the case, what would happen if an emancipated minor wanted
to be a porno actress? I know that would not fly.
Can older women dance?
Mon 1/10/00 9:57 PM
I have two questions: 1) Are there any nude clubs that have older women.
I used to go to a place in North Carolina that had some great, natural,
down-to-earth women in their late 30's and 40's. I don't always enjoy
I don't know of any clubs that specifically have older women but there
are some here and there. I noticed that topless clubs tend to have more
older women than nude clubs. Also, dancers on the day shift tend to be a
2) Are there any places where an older woman (wife) can dance as an
amateur for a night ? Please advise.
She can enter a dance contest at one of the many clubs that have them. A
list of contests is on my site.
i was given about a 15 minute lap dance by a beautiful girl and if a
girl lets you touch her, does that mean she's into you?
It's possible, but more likely, she just wants to get more money from
Also when i got home and woke up the next morning wearing the same blue
levi's, i noticed that the crotch of my pants had been stained and it
was orange in color. The girl gave me an all nude lapdance and i'm
wondering if it was Her!!! Please tell me what these orange stains are
and have you heard of anyone with a similar crotch incident?
First of all, were you so drunk that you went to sleep wearing your
jeans and woke up with them on? If you were that drunk, who knows where
you got the stain from. Maybe you spilled orange juice. Otherwise, I've
never had orange stains but it might mean that she was on her period.
I'm not a doctor but I suggest you don't lick it or put your lips on it.
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