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Holding handsThu 11/23/2006 4:03 AM
Just had a question. Is it ok to hold a dancer's hand or touch them politely????
Why not? I'm sure dancers are used to people holding a lot more than their hands. However, don't hold their hands if you're spanking the monkey at the same time.
And what about...Mon 10/30/2006 7:16 PM
zbone, i got questions. deja vu in nh seems like a decent club with a lot of dancers especially in the evening but is it just me or has the quality of dancers gone down?
I've noticed this trend at many of the clubs. I think that because so many new clubs are opening, and the money has gone down, many dancers are moving around trying different clubs. That area near D??Vu has Rouge, Shenanigans, Pink Diamonds, Thirsty's and several topless and bikini clubs. Frankly, the quality has been going down at all LA clubs for many years. When there were only 27 clubs, there were more good looking girls concentrated at the good clubs. Now, there are over 110. You do the math.
How to trick your dancerMon 10/2/2006 9:44 PM
when you are at the club and you are talking to your regular girl before you get a dance from her are there any special words to say or tips and tricks to do that could possibly increase the chance of getting a really good lap dance.
Tell her that you're Brad Pitt with a disguise on to do research for a movie. Or not.
Okay. If it's your regular girl, you probably don't need to say or do anything special. She's already comfortable with you, which is a big step. When you are getting dances from girls that you don't know, then it's a good idea to say something to make them more at ease with you.
If you already know the girl to be money oriented, you can hint to her that you have more money today and you may be tipping more if things go well in the lap dance area.
Otherwise, if she seems to like trying to please you, first complement her, then tell her what you would like her to do, or what you would like to do to her.
You certainly don't want to have body odor or bad breath, but beyond that, just be polite, and nice. Most dancers get tired of grabby rude guys, so be the opposite and she'll want to do more lap dances with you.
We'll bust you laterMon 9/25/2006 1:14 AM
Last thursday I went to the downtown spearmint rino and was getting a reasonable mileage dance when I realized that one of the guys at the club could see me. Now I have these paranoid attacks thinking of hidden cameras and arrest warrants. Have you ever heard of a bust that arrested patrons after the fact with arrest warrants? I keep thinking of what that would be like and it creeps me out. I would really appreciate it.
Thanks, A worrier
By, "after the fact," I assume you mean like days or weeks later. I've never heard of that because that would make the case weaker. It's always better for LE's case to catch you "red handed." If they come after you later, you could always claim that it was your twin brother that looks exactly like you.
As for busts, although rare, it does happen. See my FAQ.
Molester posting?Wed 8/23/2006 5:20 AM
qbg has a post [on the bulletin board] dated Aug 22 the title "re:story" He writes about a wife claiming that her husband is attracted to their 15 year old niece. That sounds really bad. It's nothing to joke about. It makes me sad to see things allowed like that. Would you [delete the post] if they wrote 5 year old niece? 15 is still considered a child.
I read the entire post in question. The entire thread is a joke about how Benn's wife was talking to a dancer and how that conversation could go terribly wrong. Although that particular line isn't all that funny to me either, I do consider it just that, a joke in the middle of a made up story. Since each poster is trying to one-up the other with worse jokes, the progression makes some weird sense to me. Bad taste in jokes does not violate any of our rules for the bulletin board.
The fact that the bad joke uses a 15 year old niece, as opposed to a 5 year old niece (or a fetus, or a goat) does not make any difference in terms of the rules. You can see the entire text of the rules for the bulletin board yourself.
Peek-a-boo, I see youMon 8/7/2006 1:39 AM
I figured you might know the answer to my question.
Is it legal to jack off in a video arcade if there are locked doors? I don't know if anybody could see in with a door, but if they suspect you are doing it, can they wait until you open the door? Like at Deja Vu, Ontario?
I was at an adult bookstore in Vegas that had lockable doors but guys would look over the top. I think they were just guys who wanted a peek, not cops, but it freaked me out because I thought they MIGHT be cops.
Do you know what the laws are with this?
First off, let me remind you once again, that I'm not an attorney and cannot give you any legal advice. I'm going to just give you my personal opinion regarding this matter.
In the case where you are in a closed booth with a locked door, I don't think you need to worry about anything. Even if a cop was standing outside the door when you came out, since he nor anyone else witnessed anything illegal, I don't think they can do anything to you.
However, I think there are cases where there were doors but you could look under or over the door and the purpose of these doors were to prevent illegal activities. And courts in other cases have ruled that if it's reasonable for a person to be able to see inside, then it could be illegal. But in your specific case in Vegas, I'm not sure it would be ruled "reasonable" for a cop to look over the top of the door, unless he suspected that something illegal was going on. They could argue that they heard something, which made the cop suspicious.
If it was me, I'd rather not take that chance because even if you end up winning at the end, it would cost a lot of time and attorney fees to fight it. You're more likely to be told by your attorney to take a lesser charge (assuming this is your first offense), like trespassing, because it would be cheaper than fighting in court.
Like other things in life, everything has risks. I think the likelihood of being busted in the manner you are describing is very low, but not zero. It's up to you if you want to take that small risk or not.
Sharing is a beautiful thing?Tue 4/18/2006 1:03 PM
I don't know if this has happened to you or not. A friend of mine has had his eye on a dancer and has tried to close the deal with her. For whatever reason, he hasn't done so as of yet but I think it has to do with the fact that he's more tender-hearted than most guys.
Anyway, the same dancer has given me her number and told me to call her anytime. I haven't done so as of yet in order to give my friend enough time with her but it's been almost a month.
Thinking about that situation led me to thinking more about other things. I have some friends who go out to clubs too. Between the five of us, we've gotten dances from plenty of women. Out of those women, we've had sex with some of the same women, not intentionally. The friend I'm talking about told me about another friend moving in on his dancer and said that it was disrespectful and backstabbing. I don't know about all of that but I haven't pursued her out of respect to him (bros before hoes). Is any of this normal?
I've had this situation myself in the past. The way I deal with it depends on the situation. If the friend is really into the dancer, perhaps even abnormally so, then I wouldn't even come close to the dancer.
I've even had a situation where the dancer was pursuing me and I told her I wasn't interested because I knew my friend was infatuated with her. For me, dancers are not to be taken seriously so I don't care one way or the other. But for some, it's a serious situation and I don't want to lose friends over it.
As for what's normal, you're asking the wrong guy.
How does he do it?Wed 3/15/2006 3:46 PM
Hey, you have a great internet site! Thanks for all of the information!
Apologies in advance - I looked through the FAQs and did not see this. I understand that the dancers try to assess the crowd to find those that are going to spend and those they can make spend.
However, often I see guys that appear to be spending no money get lots of attention. Now I see two types of these guys.
1, they're players, they dress well and are attractive, etc. etc. (implication? they have it going on in one way or the other so I understand)
But the second type? I see some total nerds getting attention. For example, recently, one guy was giving a few dancers massages for a long time, spent very little (one or two bucks to the dancers on stage that added to maybe 2-3 lap dances over the course of the night), and looked like he subscribed to every programming magazine possible.
Is this 2nd type a long time customer or what? I get decent attention out on the floor and have good repore with most dancers despite being very selective (*** maybe this is my problem - I just don't understand how guys spend on the less attractive dancers when at every club there are some top flight ones). However, I don't get the down time attention like these types, yet.
Of note, the few dancers I spend on, from all benchmarking, seem extra good to me, complement me, and tell me they like dancing for me. They aren't working me as I am very planned and consistent in my spending.
I know am over-thinking, but watching the dancers on stage tends to get quite boring as there are few that have variability in their styles. My new sport when I am there is watching the dancers work the guys. I love seeing what makes them approach who and how they sell. I like seeing most of the guys there have no balls, and no game, paying cover and the drink min is a big deal, and they don't lap...
I can't tell you what the exact situation was that you were observing since I don't know the participants. However, I can speculate on the situation since I've been in the same situation myself. In the past, I have been a regular customer for a dancer and after a while, there's a level of trust that is created with the dancer. When she is mentally too tired to seek out new customers, she will often retreat to her old regular even if he no longer tips her. At that point, money is not the primary consideration for her.
There is also situations where a regular customer has stopped tipping the dancer and she is trying to bring him back as her customer by spending time with him without getting paid. Sometimes it works, but often it doesn't and the dancer may be wasting her time.
Depending on the club you were at, there is also the possibility that the customer is a regular of the club (not the dancer). I've been in that situation also where I was there so much of the time, the dancers would spend time with me when they were bored or tired. They knew I didn't spend any money but they were comfortable with me.
Those are some of the possible explanations of the situation that you saw.
Hope that helps. And yes, I think you're over-thinking this a bit.
At the point where you're more interested in the dancer politics and customer
interactions than the dancers, it's time to take a break from clubbing.
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