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Date: Fri 10/18/02 8:42 PM
From: Dan Delehant
Subject: Ancient Topless Days
Z Bone- Caught your page and it brought back some good memories. I
deeply mourn the passing of the 70s/80s sleazy Southern Californoia
topless dens of din. I made the rounds regularly back then. Saw a lot of
entertaining stuff. Once, in a dive called the Villa in Ontario I was
sitting right behind the stage when some idiot called a dancer who was
performing right in front of him, "fat." She grabbed his
half-full glass pitcher of beer and broke it over his head! Beer and
glass went everywhere and he hit the floor with a semi-serious head
wound. The dancer stepped back and cussed the guy out like crazy. The
bouncer, a big fat guy, came over and helped the guy up, put a filthy
beer-soaked towel against the idiot's head and promptly told him he was
86ed. The injured guy's friends and he left with the bloody towel still
against his head and all the while the dancer was screaming at him. The
odd thing about it was she wasn't even fat.
Another time in a topless place on Long Beach Blvd. near Firestone, I
overheard a big dumb-looking Texan/cowboy looking guy ask one of the
dancers to pour a full picture of beer over his head. She balked at
first but he gave her a tip and he took off his cowboy hat and she went
ahead and poured an entire picture of beer slowly over his balding head!
As the beer ran down his face and all down him he giggled like some kind
of fool and then put his hat back on and soaking wet in beer sat back
down and said to no one in particular since he was by himself,
"There - now I can get down to some serious drinking."
Those were great days Z Bone - nothing but flirting and fantasizing and
getting slowly drunk as hell. Plus it is always reassuring to see with
your own eyes that there actually are people more fucked up than
yourself. You know what, horny as I was back then, more than once I
broke a date to just go sit in a stupid topless bar and get drunk. Can't
do those places anymore though - soon as you see that you are the oldest
guy in one of those places it's time to hang it up. Once a few years ago
- ah - that's enough -you get the idea.
Date: Sat 7/13/02 7:32 AM
Subject: Old Reviews
Great concept but the info is not timely enough. I checked out a club in
a part of town I expect to be staying in and read that the "last
visit" was in the "mid '80s." You gotta be kidding!
That's like 20 years ago. Even the reviews that date back six years are
far too old. Useless. Either update the site or take it down. If you do
update it, suggest you include a category for "nasty" lap
dances, the kind that those of us in SF are used to.
Date: Wed 7/10/02 2:02 PM
From: Joan Emery
What a pleasant surprise!!
A goyisha friend called thinking I would be able to translate
"chupa" for her; and although I know what it is and have been
to weddings, including my son's first, I went to my trusted
"GOOGLE" and found your YIDDISH
It;s pretty cute; although there are a few references that I don't
connect with... Is lap-dancing the latest excitement thing...???
What is the age-range of those that attend? The only
lap-dancing I have seen is on HBO or one of the other late night TV
Date: Thu 6/27/02 5:38 AM
Subject: Sweetee -Brenda's opinion
I started working at Exotica
last year. I love the girls there, the staff, and it's easy to make
money there. I've worked at Flesh and SSR so trust me
the same people work at all these clubs. Regardless if you got what you
wanted or not from a dancer don't down talk certain girls just because
they weren't your type or they have different moral values than others
and wouldn't give you a BJ, and when you talk bad about one club you
basically talk bad about them all, you can ask any dancer, we've all
worked more places then Exotica so quit hating on them let them make
there money, and in this case there making your money!
Special whats up to; Devin, Alana, Marilyn, Tori, Sasha, Magical,
Monay, And everyone else I forgot. Congrats to Marilyn on dancer of the
month. All my girls at Flesh; Kisses, Serrena, Jasmine, Denise,
Francine, MaryJane, Ariel, Vanity, Paris, Dorian, Justice, Madison, and
everyone I forgot, I'll be back!!! Much LOVE 5000!!!
Date: Fri 6/14/02 7:50 AM
Subject: SRI experience
Though I only post infrequently, I read your site often and wanted to
tell you of an experience I had a couple of weeks ago at SRI. I went to
see a specific dancer I'd seen on stage and had wanted to get a lap
dance from for some time. I asked for her by name. When she came out
from the dressing room, she seemed stand-offish. She quizzed me about
who else I got dances from there, and didn't believe me when I told her.
We ended up getting a dance and gradually she warmed to me. After the
dance, we talked for a while. Turned out, she's suspicious of anyone who
asks for her by name. She's afraid they're LE, who got her name off the
internet and come in trolling to bust dancers. The last thing she said
to me was, "Please, PLEASE don't post about me on the
Of course, I won't. But the sad thing is that what used to be a
free-wheeling community with a lot of good information (thanks to you)
is now having to become secretive about the very things that brought
eveyone together in the first place.
I bet she's not the only dancer who's scared. Boy, things sure have
changed, huh? As far as I can tell, the only way to have anything like
the old days is to invest the time and money to become a regular with a
few select dancers who will then treat you well. To try a new dancer,
you practically have to have a referral from some dancer they trust.
You know the scene way better than I do. Do you think this is just a
temporary crack-down by LE or is it a long-term offensive?
[Editor's note: IMO, the later.]
Date: Sat 6/1/02 5:06 AM
Been going to strip clubs in the Southland [Cherries in FULLERTON.
CA.] and Las Vegas [Cheetah's
IN LAS VEGAS, NEVADA] for 3 years now. In the last 4 months I've notice
a change toward certain clients. Called Favoritism, certain guys
(including me) would get ignored all night or girl approaching me until
late at night. Usually these guys are treated like gold, they are
usually Biker kids, certain males in some kind of group. I do recall
about 9 months ago, these guys came in the club very violent hostile
attitude toward the stripers and other guys, they use this attitude to
get the strippers in control and away from certain guys. I was
told also they may pay these woman up front to stay away find info. on
guys also. I've been to Cheetahs in Vegas and have seen guys sitting
there and getting ignored for hours and becoming depressed, while other
guys are getting extra attention. At one club I was getting ignored
while several of these biker kids! where being asslative and abusive,
after I told them off, one of the strippers bumped in to me and said
fuck you. There heading down the road to less customers. PS they don't
circulate anymore in clubs they stay with there favorites for hours
Date: Sun 4/21/02 7:33 PM
Subject: Supreme Court ruling
Stupid, I read your article on the
Supreme Court decision on Strip Clubs. I actually thought that was
real, I mean, it sounded real. And I told all my friends about that to.
But a few days later it clicked in my head that I never heard about it
anywhere else. I went to the website of the Supreme Court and could not
find that case.
I’m such an ass…u got me, it actually sounded believable!
Date: Fri 4/19/02 1:56 AM
Subject: re: jUMBOS.
I went to an audition [at Jumbo's].
The manager is Barbara, I think. She explained to me. That I would get
paid minimum wage per hour and the tips are mine. I think a $5.00 bar
fee, if I'm not correct. I never made my schedule, she was mad. Those
girls get paid every 2 weeks, that's why they don't really care so much.
I just thought you should know that I had to fill out a W-2 form. I
never started work, so I never turned it in. On my audition,I did
make$10.00, with only 4 guys there, and this was at 2:00p.m. auditions
are every Mon or Wed at 2:00 p. m. I just thought you should know how
they really get their money.
Date: Mon 4/15/02 8:06 PM
From: Brian Morrison
Subject: jumbos clown room improves!
man that got a few hot girls dancing [at Jumbo's] now.. Was really
blown away with how high quality the dancers are on a sunday night..
Date: Wed 4/10/02 3:47 PM
Subject: wonder what prompted this
you know, i am no fucken opinion leader, but there are fucken people
out there who think that their god wants them to blow people up so that
they can dance with virgins. maybe the cops should be patrolling those
places and people. why are they cracking down on the industry?
I can only guess that the industry has become way way too powerful
and prolific and also, i think the city of l.a. wants to teach the
industry a lesson, especially with the alameda books case in front of
the supreme court.
i think that the home moaners are trying to stop the MPs, but in van
nuys there are really no home moaners, so it must be something driven by
money that they cops are not getting.
i wonder if they dont bust some of the rattier strip clubs, but then
again, they are all pretty fucken ratty.
i dont know if those busted for simply failing to have a license
closed, but i was at one of them after that sting and it was open.
maybe hahn wants to show some law and order so that he looks good to
the conservatives as he shoves parks out the door.
you prolly have a more historical standpoint and see it as a cycle
thing. I just want the MPs to stay open
Date: Sat 3/23/02 7:14 PM
Subject: updating website
I recently moved to LA and thought your website was the best. I have
since changed my mind. Much of the info on the website seems to be
highly outdated. You list the Jet Strip as the third
best strip club in LA, and I liked the review so I decided to check it
out. I went to the club excited about the "bondage room" which
your website says they have, but when I talked to one of the dancers who
had been there for a year, she said that she never even heard of the
room. After checking your website again, I noticed that you haven't been
to the club since October 1998!?!?! How can you rate clubs you haven't
been to in almost 4 years?
Please update your website and make more of an effort to keep the info
Also, as someone from out of town, it would be nice to know which clubs
serve alcohol and which don't. Maybe it's just me, but I like alcohol
with my strippers. People in LA are probably aware of which clubs serve
booze and which don't, but it would be great info for those of us coming
in from out of town.
Date: Sun 3/3/02 11:10 AM
Subject: MUSICA, por favor: a coupla old tunes..
..some 'bold' young dancers might like to use sometime:
- Jimi Hendrix = "Bold As Love" ..(up to the
part where the guitar solo starts ..about 2.30..)
- Doors = "Wishful Sinful" ..(DElicious lyrics..)
...pass it on ...(..and let me know where!)
Date: Sun 2/24/02 5:10 PM
From: [Name withheld by request]
Subject: Disappointed with the Rhinos
I have just read the Jaclyn's
review of the Blue Zebra. I
am sure you already know Blue Zebra is owned by the Spearmint Rhino and
I would like to say the dancers at the S.R are also royally ripped off
when it comes time to payout. We are paying over 50% of our money at the
end of the night! $7 a topless, $15 a nude, $1 a dance to the manager
gratuity, $2 a dance for a nude gratuity, $1 a dance to the DJ, $1 a
dance to the doormen, tip the waitresses, the bartender and a stage fee!
Oh, and we buy are own drinks if we haven't been able to persuade the
customers. You do the math! That is why we have the reputation of being
the rip-off artists of strip clubs. And they wonder why retired dancers
band together, get a lawyer and sue for all those years of being over
charged. Gratuity should be a way of saying 'thank you for helping me,'
but these people don't help, they are the rudest management and doormen
I have ever come across. I have heard managers berate and ridicule
dancers in front of fellow dancers, and there is one manager who likes
to physically hit girls on the head with something if they are doing a
lap dance he deems too risque. Am I crazy or is that a lawsuit waiting
to happen? These people have no managerial skills, heck they do not even
have 'people skills.' The problem is the greedier John Gray becomes, and
the more clubs he has to open, then the more money he has to take from
his employees to pay for everything. I have worked in the business for a
few years and have gone through my share of clubs, unequivocally the
Rhino treats their employees with the least respect. But they do not
stop there, they also treat customers badly. This supposed 'Gentlemen's
Club' likes to treat their customers as just big wallets. I have never
heard doormen use 'thank you,' 'please,' they just herd them in, get
their money as soon as possible and herd them out. In Van Nuys we are
made to charge customers for talking to us! And if we do not get that
money we will be charged at the end of the night. The Spearmint Rhinos
should be called 'the fast food of strip clubs.' No wonder customers
feel ripped off! It is too bad The Spearmint Rhinos are lead by this
'club of white middle aged men' who have no managerial skills and only
basic disdain for anyone beneath them. Unfortunately they are probably
only destined to become richer and richer, but their comeuppance will be
certain one way or the other. I challenge Jaclyn to work at the Van Nuys Rhino
and hear her honest opinion.
Date: Sat 2/16/02 5:35 PM
From: Robert Brantz
Subject: Suggestion for Z at the Movies
I just watched the movie: "Center of the World" by Wayne Wang. A very
interesting movie about the relationship between a strip club customer
and his favorite dancer.
Both of them live in Seattle and he invites her for a weekend to Las
Vegas. The movie is an interesting spin on the Pretty Woman theme, but
much more serious. Wang must know the strip clubs scene very well. He
uses Alisha Klass for
the more hardcore dance scenes.
Alisha is doing a great job and I understand how most people are very
impressed from her stage show.
She is also featured on the website: www.center-of-the-world.com
which has a virtual strip club and an "interactive" chat with
Alisha. The chat with Alisha Klass is interestingly structured and fully
automated with responses from her depending on the words you type during
the "chat". I enjoyed the movie and was impressed how far into
Hollywood the world of our strip club obseesion has reached.
If you like I can write a detailed review of this movie.
Keep up the good work.
Date: Fri 1/18/02 7:03 PM
I am a dancer at Starz
and often check out your website. I think the website is helpful, and
insightful for both customers and dancers. However, I rarely see
my club, Starz, get recognized for the girls or even the club itself.
It is the only upscale predominately black club in the area. At my
club there are plenty of beautiful girls and most dance their asses off.
There is no walking around the stage and touching each other, it is
actual exotic dancing. I have been to many clubs and noticre most
girls do not make what we make on stage. And what about the fact
that we are both topless and nude....a great combination. I have
been at Starz for about 2 years and have tried my share of amateur
nights and am not impressed.....Might I also add I am one of the
non-black girls in the club and have no trouble fitting in. There
are few girls to me that define EXOTIC in this industry, but at starz!
or any club that has anything but mainly blonde girls with fake boobs it
is easier to find an exotic dancer.
Date: Thu 1/10/02 6:46 AM
Subject: A note to the fans.
Well hello there all you reviewers of the [Spearmint Rhino, Santa
For starters I'm not going to lie to you, I am a dancer there and I
guess I going have to give all you readers/writers, the real club scoop.
This is a cute little club, kind of low class for what you would expect
of sb, more like a hill-billy forest club, but cute non the less.
Our management is great. They do the best of all the managers that I
have ever had the privilege of meeting, or working with. Though they
still are managers and still have a dickish side that pops out on
occasions, just part of the job I suppose, but they are wonderful none
As far as our bouncers go they are gods at their jobs, to put it
mildly. I have never felt so secure in any lap dance area, it's a true
relief. Though our new bouncer is very iffy to say the least, we have
had our disagreements I'll admit, but hopefully he will find his groove
and fall into his proper space, then all will mesh as it was intended
to. But all in all as far as I am concerned, the true description of a
bouncers duties is to be our protectors, to make the club a safe
environment where we feel comfortable to run around naked and do our
jobs without fear of harm or hurt. The men here must understand this and
it really shows, and know it or not it is really appreciated and from
all of us, thank you so much.
Now lets not forget the dj's of the sbsr. For the most part they do
the job, they play the songs, call our names, and try to get the men to
clap, but that's all. There is no enthusiasm in their monotone radio
voices. The crowd can tell this and I believe that moods transfer, and
theirs goes right to the crowd, and to the ladies. At times I wonder
which is more desirable, at least a juke box can have nothing foul to
send out, it does the exact same thing, it plays the songs, though I
have seen many a juke have a wider variety then our boys.
Now lets get onto our lovely ladies. The girls are pretty descent as
far as dancers go, we do have our extra-curricular ladies, but they have
the respect to keep their conduct discreet, and for the most part it
doesn't hinders the prosperity of our other ladies. Now this is for
those ladies, why do you do that much for a 20 spot when the majority of
us don't? I mean I could understand it if that was what you had to do,
if it was seen as the club norm., but its not. All your doing is hurting
yourselves and your reputation, we all know what your doing for those
extra long dance tally's, I'm not mad, but I feel so bad that you give
them so much of yourself for such a small return only to have to go home
and face yourselves in the mirror. I don't know how you do it.
Onto a brighter note, I have decided I feel more that a lot of our
customers have the tendencie to rip us off, unlike the contrary opinions
that the dancers rip off the patrons. May I ask you what you are truly
expecting out of us for a 20? I personally wouldn't expect you to let me
maul you for a mere 80 quarters, I wouldn't want to, not because I'm not
horny, or anything to that effect, no major malfunctions here. Simply
because I wouldn't degrade myself that way. I couldn't live with myself
if I had to pay to handle you, I can understand that this is just a trip
to the sc, it is supposed to be a fantasy, and mentally I could never
let myself cross that fine line between dreamland and the reality of it
Further more, personally I feel outraged when a man gets upset with
me for asking him not to suck on my tits or attempt to fondle my kitty.
Then what makes me even more disappointed in the male gender is when I
am propositioned by a customer for some pathetic amount of cash, and
when I simply refuse their offer, take it as an insult! Like 50 dollars
should just make me wet and want to go hump you out back in the back
seat of your piece of crap jalopie. The worst part of that whole
scenairo is that I am convinced if you are able to find a girl to take
you up on this deal you'll trot outside to perform your 5 mins. of
ecstasy and then at the end you'll convince yourself that she wanted to
be there with you. Then you'll go back to your reg. stomping grounds,
brag to your buddies that this hot girl was all over you and she begged
you to go do her in your dingy ride, of course you were doing her so
hard you thought you might break her in half. Then you go on to say you
might call her again sometime if your desperate for a piece or
something, when in all actuality you mean if you can save enough money,
considering with your beer habit and all the other habits you have had
to acquire over time to make your pathetic livable, you'd jump at the
second chance to feel alive again. Too bad that was probably truly the
highlight of your life and she went home to soak in bleach.
Now I'm not saying this of all our fans. Those of you that don't fall
under this description are what help us endure through all their s*#t,
you are our breath of fresh air after the storm. Like the regulars that
come rain or shine. They always have a moment to lend an open ear when
the night is slow. They never forget something important that you just
mentioned by chance in a conversation and they'll bring it up at just
the right occasion. When everyone that you wanted to remember has
forgotten, they'll remember that it's your birthday. Then there's the
young one's that have only came in a handful of times or less, they have
this look of true awe and splendor. Like a tike on Christmas morn, their
eyes wide and dancing with a silent laughter that can never be imitated
or forced, only brought on by pure and simple joy.
Those are the thoughts that get taken home at night, those are the
things that let us know our work is appreciated and that the world isn't
all that bad. With out the patrons we have nothing, and we thank you for
coming and supporting us, we hope you enjoy the show.
Date: Fri 1/4/02 1:01 PM
Please update Nicola's
nightclub and check out one Asian dancer. She works usually
Tue-Fri, sometimes sat. She's has a different style of dancing
that nobody has seen before, especially when she catch air while she's
sitting. But you'd have to ask her cuz she doesn't do it in all
her set. Update after the fire (remodeling).
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